Label:
Riskant – riskant 4001
Format:
Vinyl, LP, Album; Country: Germany - Released: 1981
Style:
Avantgarde, Experimental
Cover
– Johannes Beck
Music
By – Alfred Harth (tracks: A1 to A6, B2 to B4), Heiner Goebbels (tracks: A1 to
B4)
Producer
– Wolfgang Hamm
Recorded
By, Mixed By [August 81] – Heiner Goebbels
Recorded
By, Mixed By [Sunrise Studios, Kirchberg] – Etienne Conod, Robert Vogel
Der
Durchdrungene Mensch - Zyklus Über Den Modernen Mensch
A1
- Der Stürzende Mensch . . . 3:40
A2
- Der Lachende Und Der Weinende Mensch . . . 1:46
A3
- Der Durchdrungene Mensch
(Lyrics By [Life Can Be A Gestalt In
Time] – A. Maslow) . . . 3:36
A4
- Der Reibungslose Mensch . . . 3:11
A5
- Der Kommunistische Mensch . . . 4:15
A6
- Der Redende Und Der Schweigende Mensch
(Featuring [Wann Ist Denn Endlich
Frieden] – Wolf Biermann) . . . 2:56
Indianer Für
Morgen
B1
- Berlin, Q-Damm 12.4.81
(Rec. By – G. Lackner, R. Krause / Trombone
– A. Boje, A. Roelofs) . . . 5:05
B2
- Indianer Für Morgen . . . 2:18
B3
- Dunkle Wolk
(Lyrics By – J. Werlin / Recorded By –
G. Platen / Vocals – D. Krause) . . . 5:11
B4
- Kein Kriegsspielzeug Für Jonathan . . . 4:11
B5
- Über Den Selbstmord
(Lyrics By – Bertolt Brecht / Music By
– Hanns Eisler) . . . 2:36
Heiner Goebbels – Synthesizer,
Piano, Drums, Drum Machine, Bass Saxophone, Tenor Saxophone, Soprano Saxophone,
Clarinet, Cello, Guitar, Harpsichord, Shawm
Alfred Harth – Voice,
Trombone, Bass Clarinet, Bass Saxophone, Tenor Saxophone, Alto Saxophone,
Soprano Saxophone
GOEBBELS
/ HARTH mit KRAUSE / STÖTZNER – Bertolt Brecht: Zeit Wird Knapp (LP-1981)
Label:
Tonstudio Zuckerfabrik – 28022
Format:
Vinyl, LP, Album; Country: Germany - Released: 1981
Style:
Free Jazz, Poetry, Free Improvisation
Recorded
and mixed August-October 1981 Tonstudio Zuckerfabrik-Stuttgart.
Artwork
[Cover, Booklet] – Pit Mischke
Composed
By – Alfred Harth, Heiner Goebbels
Concept
By [Idea, Choice Of Texts] – Joachim-Ernst Berendt
Engineer
– Gibbs Platen
Lyrics
By – Bertolt Brecht / Painting – Robert Cavegn
Photography
– Saefkow/Buchholz
Producer
– Heiner Goebbels, Joachim-Ernst Berendt
Recorded
By – Rolf Riehm and Gisbert Lackner
A1
- Tagesanbruch . . . 4:28
A2
- Ich, Bertold Brecht . . . 1:16
A3
- Schwächen 1:12
A4
- Morgens Und Abends Zu Lesen . . . 0:48
A5
- Liebeslied 1:26
A6
- Abbau Des Schiffes Oskawa Durch Die Mannschaft . . . 6:26
A7
- Es Lebt Eine Gräfin In Schwedischem Land . . . 2:03
A8
- Die Vögel Warten Im Winter Vor Dem Fenster . . . 2:54
B1
- Apfelböck Oder Die Lilie Auf Dem Felde . . . 3:34
B2
- Der Pflaumenbaum . . . 1:38
B3
- Legende Von Der Entstehung Des Buches Taoteking Auf Dem Wege Des Laotse In
Die Emigration . . . 5:25
B4
- Liedchen Aus Alter Zeit . . . 0:37
B5
- Sonett . . . 1:25
B6
- Deutsches Lied . . . 1:26
B7
- 1940 (Ich Befinde Mich Auf Dem Inselchen Lidingo) . . . 3:35
B8
- Ich, Bertolt Brecht / An Die Nachgeborenen / Wer Zuhause Bleibt, Wenn Der
Kampf Beginnt / Adresse Des Sterbenden Dichters An Die Jugend . . . 2:49
Alfred Harth – Alto
Saxophone, Soprano Saxophone, Tenor Saxophone, Clarinet, Bass Clarinet,
Recorder [Bass], Percussion
Heiner Goebbels – Piano,
Harpsichord, Organ, Synthesizer [Korg, Sci, Wasp], Accordion, Cello, Violin
[Chinese], Guitar, Bouzouki, Electric Bass, Percussion
Dagmar Krause – Vocals
Ernst Stötzner – Voice
HEINER
GOEBBELS and ALFRED HARTH – Frankfurt-Peking (LP-1984)
Label:
Riskant – riskant 4011
Format:
Vinyl, LP, Album; Country: Germany - Released: 1984
Style:
Avantgarde
Recorded
and mixed at Trion Sound Studio Frankfurt (September 1984)
Design
[Cover-Design] – Johannes Paar
Mixed
By [Abgemischt Von] – Büdi Siebert, Heiner Goebbels, Walter Brüssow
Music
By [Musik] – Heiner Goebbels (tracks: A3), Heiner Goebbels / Alfred Harth
(tracks: A1, A2, A4, B)
Producer
[Produziert Von] – Wolfgang Hamm
Recorded
By [Aufgenommen Von] – Bernhard Klein, Walter Brüssow
Track
A1 composed for the play "Nach Aschenfeld" by F. K. Waechter
Track
B uses original parts of the "Modern Revolutionary Peking-Opera
'Shachiapang' "
A1
- Die Reise Nach Aschenfeld . . 5:50
A2
- Stell Dir Vor Du Bist Ein Delphin
(Lyrics By – Micky Reman) . . . 4:52
A3
- Blitze Über Moskau4:39
A4
- Paradies Und Hölle Können Eine Stadt Sein . . . 4:53
B - Peking-Oper
. . . 15:55
Alfred Harth – Tenor
Saxophone [Tenorsaxophon], Soprano Saxophone [Sopransaxophon], Clarinet
[Klarinette], Bass Clarinet [Baßklarinette], Trombone [Posaune], Trumpet
[Trompete], Performer [Mundstücke Etc.]
Heiner Goebbels – Piano,
Synthesizer, Organ [Orgel], Guitar [Gitarre], Percussion [Perkussion], Violin
[Chinesische Geige], Performer [Mundstücke, Gartenschläuche Etc.]
posted by -Otto-
Buy this albums!
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ReplyDeleteNew links:
DeleteHEINER GOEBBELS and ALFRED HARTH – Der Durchdrungene Mensch / Indianer Für Morgen (LP-1981)
Vinyl Rip - FLAC + Artwork
sendspace:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/h9z52a
GOEBBELS / HARTH mit KRAUSE / STÖTZNER – Bertolt Brecht: Zeit Wird Knapp (LP-1981)
Vinyl Rip - FLAC + Artwork
sendspace:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/ftbj5d
HEINER GOEBBELS and ALFRED HARTH – Frankfurt-Peking (LP-1984)
Vinyl Rip - FLAC + Artwork
sendspace:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/x9iwgz
Thank you Vitko and Otto once for all the wonderfully weird and unclassifiable music from this great duo of german weirdos.
ReplyDeleteis possible for mp3 file? if no, thankyou for anyway.
DeleteI know of Goebbels & Harth by way of their 1988 "Live In Victoriaville" record. Looking forward to hearing this. Many thanks.
ReplyDelete-Brian
any chance of providing that live recording - would be GREAT!
DeleteMany thanks for this.
ReplyDeletedunno if the last comment is lost or came through...
ReplyDeletethanks to otto + vitko for the sharing of those classics in good quality!
here's my participation - a japanese flexi-7-inch from 1982:
http://www27.zippyshare.com/v/36900843/file.html
{thx to the original uploader}
Thanks Lucky.
DeleteI all honesty, I contributed only a small portion of this post. It is Vitko who really brought it all together. I think it was a very smart move to post these three LPs together - the LPs that served as the basis for the Goebbels Heart compilation. Now we have the pleasure of enjoying both sides of "Durchdrungene/Indianer", all 16 tracks from "Zeit wird knapp", and also the entire "Ffm/Peking" LP. Thank you, Vitko for this labor of love!
DeleteAnd for those of you who do not speak German fluently, I recommend the Goebbels Heart compilation scans because they contain the Brecht poetry not only in German, but also in English translation. Pieces like "Apfelböck" can be appreciated so much more if you know what the story behind it is.
And thank you, Artemis for your contribution, and thanks go to Lucky as well for adding a snazzy flexi disc.
Thank you all very much!
Thanks Lucky, for the flexi-disc!
Deleteartemis - can you tell me which is which?
ReplyDelete01 02. - Track 1
02 01. - Track02
03 03. - Track03
04 04. - Track04
the tracklist is a bit confusing...
thx!!
Hi |:),
ReplyDelete01 02. - Track 1.wav
is Side A of Plan Eden (CW 1008)
02 01. - Track02.wav
is Side B of Plan Eden (CW 1008)
03 03. - Track03.wav
is “Beethoven, anything goes” (= side A of Anything goes, CW 1005)
04 04. - Track04.wav
is “Eris” (= side B of Anything goes, CW 1005)
HTH.
yes indeed otto
ReplyDeletesorry for confusing up,i'll try better...
Artemis
Many thanks, Vitko! This rare albums is a real masterpieces. I have 2 albums of this line-up, and maybe somebody will be interest too. Goebbels Heart (1981-84) and Live A Victoriaville (1993) here:
ReplyDeletehttp://www23.zippyshare.com/v/31348477/file.html
http://www23.zippyshare.com/v/10203129/file.html
Hi all, as requested on a previous comment, i put here my contribution to give a big thank to Vitko and Otto for their precious work.
ReplyDelete"Live In Victoriaville" link:
http://we.tl/PTGNVer1qa
(flac format, I haven't scanner and so no cover art...)
It will be active only for 7days, so be quick ;-)
FF
Artemis, Sergio, FF, Thank you.
Deletethanks, FF!! :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome, I'm very glad to share this with you and all other friends in music :)))
DeleteFF
Since this is a post that has seen quite a few additional music contributions, I would like to continue with some non-GH material, namely Hanns Eisler, a composer which both Heiner Goebbels and Alfred Harth held in high esteem, and rightfully so. Over many years they have recorded their own interpretations of his songs, and one could even argue that the entire “Zeit wird knapp” is not only a tribute to Brecht, but to Hanns Eisler as well — although Eisler didn’t compose a single piece on that LP. Their musical interpretation of Brecht owes more to Eisler and his approach to writing “Lieder” than one might initially suspect.
ReplyDeleteSo, here are five recordings of Hanns Eisler himself. In most likelihood, all five recordings were made during the taping of Irmgard Arnold with Andre Asriel in 1958. These recordings feature Eisler modeling for Frau Arnold his take on the interpretation of his songs. These recordings were probably never intended as an official release, although they have been part of Eisler documents LPs (on NOVA - in the late 60s or early 70s) or CD (Berlin Classics).
We can all agree that Eisler is not a trained singer, but probably just because of this, these recordings have a certain freshness and immediacy. I am almost certain that Alfred Harth and Heiner Goebbels had heard these recordings when they made their interpretations of Eisler’s material.
Here’s the track list of my compilation:
01 - Lied von der belebenden Wirkung des Geldes [4:09]
02 - Vom Sprengen des Gartens [0:59]
03 - Die Ballade vom Wasserrad [3:07]
04 - Anmut sparet nicht noch Mühe [1:39]
05 - Die haltbare Graugans (rehearsal pt. 1)* [1:12]
(*) this track on the Hanns Eisler Dokumente box set (0090582CD) includes Irmgard Arnold with Andre Asriel following Eisler’s version. Eisler interrupts his own performance to provide commentary to Frau Arnold. Only Eisler’s take is included here. This take is incomplete.
Hanns Eisler mit Andre Asriel - Eisler singt Eisler (1958) [FLAC] (about 28 MB for about 11 minutes of music)
http://www9.zippyshare.com/v/99737269/file.html
Oh, this is a real rarity -Otto-. A fantastic gift to us all.
ReplyDeleteThank you very much.
Really a great gift, thx Otto..... slightly off topic, I could add "The Italian Concerto" by Heiner Goebbels, and so on this would became a never ending post...;-)
ReplyDeleteFF
Goebbel's "The Italian Concerto" would be VERY appreciated, FF! It was recorded at the Angelica festival, featuring Johannes Bauer + Chris Cutler, among others.
ReplyDeleteHi Vitko & friends, yesterday night i tried to open the three archives but only "Frankurt-Peking" works correctly, the other two give me "unexpected end of archive" :((( - Someone else have the same problem or it's only mine?
ReplyDelete@ I:) OK, I'll put it ASAP
FF
I just checked, everything is fine. You probably have a transient problem. Try again later.
DeleteYes, I've done a second DL and now all works fine!!!
DeleteThe Italian Concerto - Heiner Goebbels
ReplyDelete(flac, no scans)
http://we.tl/EHZgOOWHeb
active for 7 days
Enjoy
FF
Thank you, anonymous FF for continuing with contributions to the original post. I do not consider them to be the slightest off topic. Thanks!
DeleteThanks for a great album FF.
Deletegrazie, FF :)
ReplyDeleteThx to you all, I'm glad for your appreciation (sorry for lack of scans....)
ReplyDeleteFF
Thanx for this incredible stuff. Much appreciated!
ReplyDeleteHere is the link for H Goebbels - Shadow / Landscape with Argonauts
ReplyDeleteripped from my cd
http://we.tl/9eX8sbcshH
Covers in next post
Artemis
here are covers of 2 H G - landcape + la jalousia cds
ReplyDeletehttp://we.tl/SAfYdj9uXi
I 'll up La jalousie late at night today
Artemis
here are the full scans of the booklet of the shadow/landscape cd:
Deletehttp://www68.zippyshare.com/v/70030029/file.html
thx for these 2 additions, artemis - great to have them in lossless.
(°}-------^X°
Thank you, Artemis!
DeleteThanks for the entire shadowy landscape scans, Lucky!
DeleteHere the link of H Goebbels - la jalousie
ReplyDeletehttp://we.tl/SfPsWVMjEa
active for 7 days only so be hurry...
Enjoy 'em
Artemis
Thank Artemis on your selfless contribution and all of you dear friends who participate in the construction of this blog.
DeleteBest regards, V
Thanks Artemis for these two rare out of print ECM New Series delights!
DeleteThanks again, Artemis!
DeleteI have Goebbels' "Der Mann im Fahrstuhl / The Man in the Elevator", if someone is in need for this - could do the scans, too.
ReplyDeleteThe early radio plays on 3 CD's are on ru-tracker.
Heiner Goebbels - Der Mann im Fahrstuhl / The Man in the Elevator
Delete(ECM, 1988)
- based on a text by Heiner Müller
Arto Lindsay: voice, guitar
Ernst Stötzner: voice
Don Cherry: voice, trumpet, doussn'gouni
Fred Frith: guitar, bass
Charles Hayward: drums, metal
George Lewis: trombone
Ned Rothenberg: saxophones, bass clarinet
Heiner Goebbels: piano, synthesizer, programming
Heiner Müller: the author
FLAC + scans
http://jqlc9ujxoq.1fichier.com/
Thanks for the tip and thanks for the lift, Lucky!
DeleteSorry for arriving a bit late here but only now have I managed to find two old tapes with live performances of the Goebbels-Harth duo and the Sogenanntes Linksradikales Blasorchester. To supplement this post and the preceding one, here are two concerts from 1980/81(radio broadcasts, flac):
ReplyDeleteHeiner Goebbels & Alfred Harth - Live in Hamburg 1981
http://vfcdwwhfzx.1fichier.com/
Sogenanntes Linksradikales Blasorchester - Live at Berliner Jazztage 1980
http://ryqklw7wli.1fichier.com/
Super! Many thanks, mew23!
Deletecan
DeleteUh, great, never too late for the good stuff. Thank you very much mew23.
ReplyDeleteRegards.
Thank you to everybody for these (sadly I was too late for Artemis). For me this is an ear-opening introduction to Heiner Goebbels. Previously, I had never bothered listening to him as I don't speak German. Obviously a BIG mistake. Thanks again.
ReplyDeleteHello
ReplyDeletefor all who - especialle for martin - don't reach downloading
that;s alternative links for repackage of A.Harth 's LP
Anything goes & plan eden
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lws7hlt8mclmzwo/Alfred%2023%20Harth%20-%20Anything%20goes%20wav.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jzmzg5hk9ehnjix/Alfred%2023%20Harth%20-%20Plan%20Eden%20wav.rar?dl=0
enjoy 'em
Artemis
Thank you, thank you, thank you Artemis. I certainly will enjoy 'em.
DeleteAnd here Alfred 23 Harth : "Sweet Paris" (free flow music) cd, 75mn, 430mo; Flac with all scans :
ReplyDeletehttp://www6.zippyshare.com/v/27817684/file.html
http://www46.zippyshare.com/v/83656596/file.html
http://www68.zippyshare.com/v/75239661/file.html
Thank you very much sandor.
Deletebeautiful post, thank you Vitko and all contributors
ReplyDelete@Artemis: unfortunately, after my uploading here of "The Italian Concerto" I've forgot this post (my mistake), and only today I'm reading of your two uploads of: H Goebbels - "Shadow / Landscape with Argonauts" and "la jalousie", but now both are lost.....
ReplyDeleteIt would be possible a re-post? Thanks in any case...
FF
@ FastForward & who other want these masterpieces of Heiner Goebbels
ReplyDeleteNew permanent (almost) links for you
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ypechzqu553sad9/Heiner%20Goebbels%20-%20Shadow%20-%20Landscape%20with%20Argonauts.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/01lqdzwedxhi2ow/Heiner%20Goebbels%20-%20La%20Jalousie%20cd%20rip.rar?dl=0
Enjoy this marvelous music!
Artemis
Thanks a lot, Artemis, for these new and fast links, you've been really really kind
Deletesee you next, here and there, on web
FF
Hello again,
ReplyDeletei took the chance of 2 albums reuploading to remind dear Vitko that in the middle of August you worked on
"VitkoAugust 17, 2014 at 5:47 PM
Good luck, Lucky :) I already working on the LP Heiner Goebbels & Alfred Harth - Hommage, Vier Fausta Fur Hanns Eisler (SAJ-08), -Otto-'s post will end in two days.
This is called good cooperation. "
I think it's a good opportunity to revive this great post of A Harth with or without Goebbels, posting the above in lossless - i have it in 320 from zero G sound but there are skips in sound - or other albums like
Rolf Riehm - Machandelboom, Das Märchen vom Wacholderbaum (Riskant, 1983)
Canadian Cup of Coffee
Nouvelle Cuisine
Gestalt Et Jive
Secrets Of Development
Waxwebwind@ebroadway
Sora
Pollock
eShip Sum
Nu:clear Re:actor/TT
Micro-Saxo-Phone Ed.III
Taste Tribes
thank you very much in advance, i appreciate if Nick from Inconstant take part in this post's revival.
Artemis
Hello Artemis,
DeleteI've given up of the album Heiner Goebbels & Alfred Harth - Hommage, Vier Faust Fur Hanns Eisler (SAJ-08) because it can be conveniently purchased through http://destination-out.bandcamp.com/, as far as the other things I think is a good idea. Let's see what others will say. In any case, I will continue to periodically publish AH albums.
Cheers.
Just as an FYI, both LPs, Hommage and Vom Sprengen... are available as a 2CD set from Cutlers' ReR website for £5.00 [Code: ReRGH1]. Here's the link:
Deletehttp://www.rermegacorp.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RM&Product_Code=ReRGH1&Category_Code=SO-ONE-OFF
Thanks a lot ...i saw them live in Biuenos Aires in 1981.and they blew my mind...Incredible concert !!!
ReplyDeleteHi,
ReplyDeletetrying to revive this post - i think it's by far the most popular in your great blog Vitko - i send you my friend's GeoLam rip of the below difficult to find Album by GESTALT ET JIVE. I removed by hand some big scratches on 6th track, made covers for cd format using internet source ... and voila link, enjoy it if you don't have...
http://we.tl/f3sHiYsrGT
Merry Christmas to all of you & best wishes
Artemis
PS I hope somebody will continue posting works from Goebbels or Harth or whatever about them...
Artemis, this is a very valuable gift, rarity, I thank you from the heart. I've found a good review for the album (by Massimo Ricci) who will yet add a bit of taste to this great work. Also, Merry Christmas to you.
DeleteCheers.
GESTALT ET JIVE – Gestalt et Jive (2LP-1986)
(Creative Works Records - CW 1006/1007)
Ferdinand Richard – bass (six string & alto)
Peter Hollinger – drums, percussion, performer (Objects)
Alfred 23 Harth – tenor & alto saxophones, bass clarinet, voice, performer (mouthpieces)
The concept behind Gestalt et Jive is pretty easy to explain, and inversely proportional to the complexity of their music. Comprising members from three different countries and languages, the group was founded in 1984 by Alfred Harth with the intent of creating "hot and danceable free improvisation". The original line-up was made of Harth, Ferdinand Richard (of Etron Fou LeLoublan fame), Steve Beresford and Uwe Schmitt. The latter was replaced on drums by Anton Fier and, later on, Peter Hollinger. All of these astute musicians except Hollinger were involved in the "Mark I" version of G&J, well represented by their first album "Nouvelle Cuisine" (which I'll talk about in another occasion). But I felt necessary to start this argument with the "Mark II", as the skeletal-yet-athletic trio of Harth, Hollinger and Richard is an accurate example of the so-called "poetic" of such an abnormal band. This record - originally released as a double vinyl LP in 1986 - fully satisfies Harth's demand of "never making up pre-concepts and never playing compositions" in this setting. The instant architectures of "Gestalt et Jive" follow a modicum of rules, one of them being the development of several "fragments" ("Versatzstücke", in 23's words) within a single "tune", snippets that the musicians can mix, destroy and shift in a brain-wrecking cut-up (John Zorn is not the only one who used to do these things, you know...). To facilitate this feeling of perennial mutability, the artists also included sudden changes of instruments during the performance; while Hollinger "limits" himself to drums and percussion (which is enough to send many colleagues into hiding for years; Hollinger is BAD), Harth uses tenor and alto sax, trombone, trumpet, bass clarinet, mouthpieces and voice, while Richard gives birth to oblique figurations and odd-metred arpeggios on the neck of his Fender VI. There is much to like for everybody, including - well, yes - fans of Etron Fou (are there any still around?), as Richard's timbre is very influential in its unmistakable coolness, at times literally cloning the irony of that group's peg-legged time signatures. The riff-based follies characterizing some of the "tunes" highlight the unstoppable cerebral activity of the players, Harth genially fathering one incongruous coup de tete after another while he transforms himself in a depraved muezzin first, a dejected Tuvan later on, all the while incinerating everyone trying to get to terms with his honking promiscuity and blaring rage. Hollinger, whose semi-obscurity is totally unjustified, is one of the best drummers of the last thirty years, a scary independence of the limbs at the basis of a style that lets us picture sparkles flying from his set. Get revitalized by three ugly ducklings who, more than 20 years ago, were already looking down from the top of the hill; matter-of-factly, there's nobody today playing music at this technical level with the same evil intentions. Dance on that 15/8, nerd, or these piranhas will eat you.
_Reviews by Massimo Ricci
This "rarity" is still in print from Creative Works, so it's not so rare, but great, nontheless:
Deletehttp://www.creativeworks.ch/product/106/gestalt-et-jive/
Thank you very much Artemis.
ReplyDeleteHi again
ReplyDeletei was wondering if my previous post with 2 Lps of G+H link received.
If not inform me to resend
Artemis
Hello Artemis,
DeleteI have not received any post from you for a long time. He must have wandered somewhere. I'm sorry, try again.
Cheers.
Hi Artemis,
ReplyDeleteI got your message, now I have to see what you sent me, and I'll answer you.
Regards. V
Artemis,
DeleteI'm sorry but I can not let two HG&AH albums that you sent me. All FMT/SAJ editions have recently became available. We talked about it already. Please read comments: Vitko-November 7, 2014 and -Otto-November 7, 2014.
I respect your great desire, but ...
All the best.
Vitko
Hi,
ReplyDeletesometimes sentiment or desire is more hard to cartesian logic...
...but as i wrote when i sent message with link , i know about the in print albums- you're right i also believe the same- but i sent only for you , if you didn't have these 2 Lps in your collection.Anyway
Looking for the next OOP music to upload.
Cheers
Artemis
Oooo, thanks Artemis,
DeleteIt seems that I misunderstood, I have these two LPs, but in any case, thank you once again for your good faith.
PS: Album that you sent for Lucky (Alan Braufman - Valley of Search) is fantastic. Two days I listen to it. You see, and that I made an oversight, so I did not notice that it is your gift. So thank you again and again :)
I do not know what is with me, I am terribly distrait these days.
Cheers.
Vitko
Hi, have anybody Black on White (aka Schwarz auf Weiss)? Thanks for an post
ReplyDeleteHi, about a year ago in 2014 I spoke to some of my labels including ECM and FMP about releasing some of my early LPs as CDs. Nothing has happened so far. Guess there is not enough business for those in that plan. What do you think I shall do?
ReplyDeleteA23H
Hallo, Herr Harth,
DeleteI need to send this in chunks because of blogspot limitations. Sorry.
I think it is best if I reply in English so that most of the people that are interested in your music and your blog will be able to follow along.
To start out with, as you may have gathered from my comments here and elsewhere on Vitko's blog, am an avid fan of your music , and especially your output from the early 80s. I have been on the hunt for the albums you were involved in for a long, long time. During the80s and early 90s, I had my trurntable set up and was happily playing the vinyl editions, but at some point, the digital world took over and unfortunately I no longer have a working/functioning setup for a plain analog turntable. So, over the ensuing period I have been looking for digital versions of music that I enjoyed in my earlier years and which I still enjoy these days. Tell you the truth, it is not easy, and oftentimes fruitless.
Until... until people like Vitko, Lucky, the guys at ics, and a few other blogs posted out of print albums that either never made it officially into the digital format, or where the VD editions have been unavailable for a loooong time.
[cont.]
DeleteAnd to tell you the truth, your fate as a musician is far from the exception. Very many albums that are not part of the mainstream and do not promise to make the company a quick buck have remained oop since basically forever.
That includes aside from you, and many other musicians from western and central Europe, it includes folks like James Blood Ulmer, Arthur Blythe, Yosuke Yamashita, and many, many more (although I have to admit that in Japan there IS slightly more interest in re-releases, but they disappear commonly even quicker than the blink of an eye). So... what to do? And that is a question for me and other listeners with similar tastes, as well as for the musicians.
For the musicians, there are a few options, and many of them are not all that promising, and for the listeners, we are grateful for blogs like this.
Gunter Hampel is still releasing his birth albums in kind of a home-brew fashion, and they are basically only available on his website and are extremely cumbersome to order if you do not have a German bank account. And in many instances, Gunter provides just CDR copies of his albums. I'd say: better than nothing, but in the end, I'm sure Herr Hampel does not make enough money with this labor of love. There are. of course, many others that go a similar route, be it the late Willem Breuker, or Eugene Chadbourne, etc., etc. And the WBK albums now have a wider distribution, but it is stillfar from ideal.
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DeleteThen, there are labels that went out of business or shifted their business to other kinds of music, were bought out by a big corporation, and other scenarios that in the end leave both the musicians and the potential listeners high and dry.
A few examples are the Swiss RecRec label, most all of what used to be Rough Trase, most Jazz or improvised music that was released on Virgin, even the JCOA, or Antilles Records, or the aforementioned Columbia/CBS albums of Ulmer, or Blythe, or even Ornette Coleman. And Moers Music, although it still has a web presence, is no longer functioning and I have never, ever heard back from Herrn Hennen on any of my inquiries. All this is deplorable!
Then, a little more optimistic is the situation with dedicated musicians/publishers like Recommended Records / ReR Megacorp's Lindsay Cooper. And here, you have a slight presence in the digital world yourself. He has both albums you recorded with Heiner Goebbels on FMP/SAJ re-released, and he used to have at some point, the last remaining copies of the Trikont SLB albums, and the Cassiber releases are still around, and quite a bit more. If you as a potential buyer are not living in Europe, ordering isn't all that easy, but it is possible, and not too expensive, but even so, the distribution channels are somewhat obscure. Here in the US I think Squidco is the online presence, and they have a bunch of other hard-to find releases available too (like Chadbourne - sometimes only in CDR format). But... oftentimes, these things are still in print. Good for us, but, as I said before, cumbersome.
And then you have the case of Herrn Gebers and FMP. The first attempt of handing it over to someone else to continue the tradition ended in spectacular failure, disagreements, and litigation and was somehow embarrassing for all involved.
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DeleteBut then bandcamp showed up and it seems that whoever is behind the fmp bandcamp site, is doing a good job in releasind mch of the back catalog as well as many new (=hitherto unissued) releases as lossless digital downloads. Although I have no contact with Gebers, I am sure he is overall quite pleased, and so should be the musicians whose albums are available once again.
I'd say you should contact the FMP bandcamp folks (or single person possibly) and inquire about an inclusion of "Just Music" or other releases you were involved in in their catalog.
As for the ECM folks, I think that da ist Hopfen und Malz verloren. And especially forget about the Japo releases. There indeed "herrscht Uhu im Land". Ecm has ben like a slug when it comes to their back catalog. Whether you like them or not, here is a rather incomplete list of musicians whose ECM albums from the 70s and 80s still are waiting for a digital release: Carla Bley, Mantler, the JCOA, Gary Burton, Michael Naura, Peter Rühmkorf, etc., etc. There's even a website on trovar with all the unreleased ECM albums. It reads like a who-is-who of contemporary music in the 80s and 90s.
http://www.trovar.com/ECM/ECMOP.php
So... what to do? We listeners and avid fans still have websites like this one - and who knows for how much longer this will be possible -, but for you, the musicians, I guess it means you have to take matters in your own hands. Gunter Hampels solution doesn't seem to be too promising, but possibly the general folks at bandcamp, those responsible for all things bandcamp and bandcamp admin related, they might be people you should contact.
Do it like Zappa did and reclaim the copyright on your recordings and re-release them. You would have my full support, and I would definitely buy these things as lossless downloads or even as physical CDs.
Sorry about all the typos in my previous responses. I hope that Rough Trade remained recognizable even with the misspelling. And sorry that I lumped "Just Music" under FMP. It was an LP on ECM, of course - after the very first edition "in Eigenproduktion".
DeleteHi Otto,
Deletethank you for your long & friendly letter. Please understand I am talking about my situation, though I am well aware
I am not the only musician who faces all these obstacles that we have today.
I am trying to deal with these a) by putting out CDRs on Laubhuette Productions, b) by releasing on other cottage industry labels as e.g. Kendra Steiner Editions, c) still releasing CDs on labels who believe in a CD as e.g. Moloko+ ,
d) delivering mail orders as e.g. Squidco or No Man's Land…
I am not so fond of mp3s of my music. I think this format doesn't fit in my case.
Also, a label in Taiwan in 2014 had triggered talks with ECM, Jost Gebers (FMP) a.o. about re-releases. Nothing happened so far.
I did never look into bandcamp yet. Is there stuff of me (FMP/SAJ maybe), do you know? Or do you have a connection to those bandcamp folks?
I estimate your advises and would love to re-release my stuff on my own label as CDs, but feel a bit disencouraged, when even my recent CDs still store in my studio and find no buyers.
I really estimate your answer and this fan side (as well as others). This is the reason why I leave my comments here to have this little "discussion".
A23H
Hi again, Herr Harth,
DeleteI need to keep my response short for today. First off, here's the bandcamp website for all things FMP:
http://destination-out.bandcamp.com/
In the right hand panel there is also a "mailto" link to contact them. And since it says the d:0 folks are from NRW, Germany, I start to wonder who it might be who has access to all the alternate version and the bonus tracks. I assume it is someone with at least a very close connection with Herrn Gebers and the FMP archive. And what I like about d:o is that they have all these albums available in lossless format.
And, it also seems they refrain from releases that were made available by Atavistic, or ReR, or others. So, since Cutler issued the two FMP/SAJ LPs of you and Herrn Goebbels, they do not appear on the d:o site. And I haven't seen anything else with your name on it (*). I hope you can help change that.
Keeping meinen Daumen gedrückt and my fingers crossed.
Finally, when I feel better, I'll check out the links you included in your last comment.
(*) I did find one track with you elsewhere on bandcamp (= not FMP-related). And it appears to be a freebee:
http://tributetobuddhamachine4.bandcamp.com/track/alfred-harth-invocation-orhk
Hi Otto,
Deletethanks for your kind assistance. I contacted d:0. Will see...
The other bandcamp item is from a label in Hong Kong = ok.
The links again, Laubhuette Productions: laubhuettestudio.blogspot.com
and KSE: a23honkse.blogspot.com
(Hope they work now, anyhow you may find them on my website too)
Please, get better soon & hope to keep in touch!
A23H
@ Artemis: I'd like to have a digital version of Nouvelle Cuisine
ReplyDeleteHi, today Jost Gebers/FMP/SAJ, Berlin, replied that my duo with Brötzmann, Go-No-Go shall be already at Destination:Out (is that true Otto? I don't have access...).
ReplyDeleteThe EMT Canadian Cup of Coffee is ready in New York and the Saxofonorchester Frankfurt in Berlin ready to be mastered. So, hopefully they'll be all out on d:o soon!
A23H
I checked with your link below for the Go-No-Go album, and it is a release I overlooked so far, and it's a release that didn't show up when I did my search of bandcamp. Odd, eh? Glad to hear that more is in the near future.
DeleteI finally found the d:o "Go-No-Go" (my duo with Brötzmann) http://destination-out.bandcamp.com/album/go-no-go, and, ah, it costs $ 11,50. Now I wonder where this money goes...haha...
ReplyDeleteTell us, when you find out, will you?
DeleteI'd like to ask Jost Gebers. He is my man. He wrote that it is a hell of work for him to digitalize the old tapes which partly are in a miserable situation. I think if Jost gets money for this job it is fully alright to me. He deserves much more than the 12 (or whatever mini sum) times $11,50 that may come in through d:o ...
ReplyDeleteBack to the Duo Goebbels/Harth: I wonder that there is not a German Wikipedia article about that duo. Some years ago I tried to find an edition for a book about the duo and could win Bert Noglik as an editor. Unfortunately Heiner wasn't ready...
ReplyDeleteAnd: I'd love to have digital versions of Indinaer fur morgn, Frankfurt Peking and Zeit wird knapp, the downloads don't work here in the Far East...
A23H
Hi Mr. 23 Harth,
DeleteThat's no problem. Tell me, which service to share files you can use (1fichier, Zippyshare, GameFront, MEGA, DepositFiles) and I'll make a links for you.
Regards. Vitko
Dear Vitko,
ReplyDeleteThank you very much for all rare albums you have posted here. May I ask you to kindly re-upload Alfred 23 Harth : "Sweet Paris" (free flow music) cd, 75mn, 430mo; Flac. I know, it was not originally your contribution, but I am sure you have it.
thank you for the marvelous Goebbels & Harth albums...the ones from the original post and the ones from the contributions...regards...
ReplyDeleteGracias, I lost my Vinyl collection of this amazing Experimental duo and here I found 2 of them again. Thank You
ReplyDeleteHi all, is it possible to re upload the GoebbelsHarth Albums? I would be very grateful!!!
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